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Lakers

120

Final

April 8, 2025

Matchup page

Thunder

136

Lakers vs. Thunder Box Score, April 8, 2025

Line Score

	1H	2H	T
LAL	72	48	120
OKC	80	56	136

Game Info

Start: 8:00 PM ET

Betting

Records: LAL 48-30 · OKC 64-15 (going into the game)
Rest: LAL 1 day · OKC 1 day
Spread: OKC -9 (OKC covered by 7)
Total: 230 (Over by 26)

Team Stats

Basic

Team	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
LAL	240	37	80	.463	18	40	.450	28	37	.757	12	33	45	21	2	6	18	15	120
OKC	240	52	104	.500	18	37	.486	14	20	.700	15	29	44	26	9	5	6	26	136

Stat	LAL	OKC
MP	240	240
FG	37	52
FGA	80	104
FG%	.463	.500
3P	18	18
3PA	40	37
3P%	.450	.486
FT	28	14
FTA	37	20
FT%	.757	.700
ORB	12	15
DRB	33	29
TRB	45	44
AST	21	26
STL	2	9
BLK	6	5
TOV	18	6
PF	15	26
PTS	120	136

Advanced

Team	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	ORtg	DRtg
LAL	.623	.575	.500	.463	29.3	68.8	50.6	56.8	2.0	9.0	15.8	120.0	136.0
OKC	.603	.587	.356	.192	31.3	70.7	49.4	50.0	9.0	12.5	5.1	136.0	120.0

Stat	LAL	OKC
TS%	.623	.603
eFG%	.575	.587
3PAr	.500	.356
FTr	.463	.192
ORB%	29.3	31.3
DRB%	68.8	70.7
TRB%	50.6	49.4
AST%	56.8	50.0
STL%	2.0	9.0
BLK%	9.0	12.5
TOV%	15.8	5.1
ORtg	120.0	136.0
DRtg	136.0	120.0

Four Factors

Team	Pace	eFG%	TOV%	ORB%	FT/FGA	ORtg
LAL	100.0	.575	15.8	29.3	.350	120.0
OKC	100.0	.587	5.1	31.3	.135	136.0

Stat	LAL	OKC
Pace	100.0	100.0
eFG%	.575	.587
TOV%	15.8	5.1
ORB%	29.3	31.3
FT/FGA	.350	.135
ORtg	120.0	136.0

Lakers

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
Austin Reaves	38:22	6	12	.500	4	7	.571	8	12	.667	1	4	5	5	0	0	4	4	24	16.2	-19
LeBron James	35:29	8	19	.421	3	6	.500	9	10	.900	0	7	7	3	1	0	6	1	28	16.3	-23
Dorian Finney-Smith	31:43	4	8	.500	4	8	.500	0	0		0	2	2	2	0	1	0	1	12	10.3	-13
Luka Dončić	31:00	7	15	.467	3	7	.429	6	7	.857	0	3	3	5	0	1	3	1	23	16.6	+6
Jaxson Hayes	26:41	3	4	.750	0	0		1	2	.500	2	4	6	2	0	2	1	2	7	8.6	-1
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
Gabe Vincent	24:45	2	7	.286	1	6	.167	0	0		0	0	0	2	1	0	0	2	5	2.5	-10
Jarred Vanderbilt	19:59	3	5	.600	0	0		2	4	.500	8	4	12	1	0	2	3	3	8	9.6	-17
Dalton Knecht	14:03	1	4	.250	1	2	.500	0	0		0	3	3	0	0	0	0	0	3	1.5	-1
Jordan Goodwin	12:37	2	5	.400	2	4	.500	0	0		0	4	4	1	0	0	1	1	6	3.8	-5
Trey Jemison III	1:47	1	1	1.000	0	0		0	0		1	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	2	2.4	+1
Shake Milton	1:47	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.3	+1
Christian Koloko	1:47	0	0		0	0		2	2	1.000	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	2	2.3	+1
Alex Len	Did Not Play
Markieff Morris	Did Not Play
Team Totals	240	37	80	.463	18	40	.450	28	37	.757	12	33	45	21	2	6	18	15	120

Shooting

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%
A. Reaves	38:22	6	12	.500	4	7	.571
L. James	35:29	8	19	.421	3	6	.500
D. Finney-Smith	31:43	4	8	.500	4	8	.500
L. Dončić	31:00	7	15	.467	3	7	.429
J. Hayes	26:41	3	4	.750	0	0
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%
G. Vincent	24:45	2	7	.286	1	6	.167
J. Vanderbilt	19:59	3	5	.600	0	0
D. Knecht	14:03	1	4	.250	1	2	.500
J. Goodwin	12:37	2	5	.400	2	4	.500
T. Jemison III	1:47	1	1	1.000	0	0
S. Milton	1:47	0	0		0	0
C. Koloko	1:47	0	0		0	0
A. Len	Did Not Play
M. Morris	Did Not Play
Team	240	37	80	.463	18	40	.450

Free Throws & Rebounds

Starters	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB
A. Reaves	8	12	.667	1	4	5
L. James	9	10	.900	0	7	7
D. Finney-Smith	0	0		0	2	2
L. Dončić	6	7	.857	0	3	3
J. Hayes	1	2	.500	2	4	6
Reserves	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB
G. Vincent	0	0		0	0	0
J. Vanderbilt	2	4	.500	8	4	12
D. Knecht	0	0		0	3	3
J. Goodwin	0	0		0	4	4
T. Jemison III	0	0		1	0	1
S. Milton	0	0		0	1	1
C. Koloko	2	2	1.000	0	1	1
A. Len	Did Not Play
M. Morris	Did Not Play
Team	28	37	.757	12	33	45

Playmaking & Scoring

Starters	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
A. Reaves	5	0	0	4	4	24	16.2	-19
L. James	3	1	0	6	1	28	16.3	-23
D. Finney-Smith	2	0	1	0	1	12	10.3	-13
L. Dončić	5	0	1	3	1	23	16.6	+6
J. Hayes	2	0	2	1	2	7	8.6	-1
Reserves	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
G. Vincent	2	1	0	0	2	5	2.5	-10
J. Vanderbilt	1	0	2	3	3	8	9.6	-17
D. Knecht	0	0	0	0	0	3	1.5	-1
J. Goodwin	1	0	0	1	1	6	3.8	-5
T. Jemison III	0	0	0	0	0	2	2.4	+1
S. Milton	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.3	+1
C. Koloko	0	0	0	0	0	2	2.3	+1
A. Len	Did Not Play
M. Morris	Did Not Play
Team	21	2	6	18	15	120

Starters	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
Austin Reaves	38:22	.694	.667	.583	1.000	3.1	10.4	7.0	21.2	0.0	0.0	18.8	23.3	114.8	136.6
LeBron James	35:29	.598	.500	.316	.526	0.0	19.7	10.6	15.5	1.4	0.0	20.4	34.8	108.1	135.5
Dorian Finney-Smith	31:43	.750	.750	1.000	.000	0.0	6.3	3.4	9.8	0.0	2.3	0.0	10.6	125.0	143.1
Luka Dončić	31:00	.636	.567	.467	.467	0.0	9.7	5.2	29.6	0.0	2.3	14.2	28.6	134.4	125.0
Jaxson Hayes	26:41	.717	.750	.000	.500	8.8	15.0	12.1	11.4	0.0	5.4	17.0	9.3	120.7	126.8
Reserves	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
Gabe Vincent	24:45	.357	.357	.857	.000	0.0	0.0	0.0	11.7	1.9	0.0	0.0	11.9	126.9	143.4
Jarred Vanderbilt	19:59	.592	.600	.000	.800	46.9	20.0	32.4	8.1	0.0	7.2	30.7	20.5	112.5	144.2
Dalton Knecht	14:03	.375	.375	.500	.000	0.0	21.4	11.5	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	12.0	122.6	139.3
Jordan Goodwin	12:37	.600	.600	.800	.000	0.0	31.7	17.1	12.9	0.0	0.0	16.7	20.0	107.1	116.7
Trey Jemison III	1:47	1.000	1.000	.000	.000	65.8	0.0	30.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	23.6	100.0	75.0
Shake Milton	1:47					0.0	56.2	30.3	0.0	0.0	0.0		0.0	100.0	75.0
Christian Koloko	1:47	1.136				0.0	56.2	30.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	20.8	100.0	75.0
Alex Len	Did Not Play
Markieff Morris	Did Not Play
Team Totals	240	.623	.575	.500	.463	29.3	68.8	50.6	56.8	2.0	9.0	15.8	100.0	120.0	136.0

Shooting

Starters	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr
A. Reaves	38:22	.694	.667	.583	1.000
L. James	35:29	.598	.500	.316	.526
D. Finney-Smith	31:43	.750	.750	1.000	.000
L. Dončić	31:00	.636	.567	.467	.467
J. Hayes	26:41	.717	.750	.000	.500
Reserves	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr
G. Vincent	24:45	.357	.357	.857	.000
J. Vanderbilt	19:59	.592	.600	.000	.800
D. Knecht	14:03	.375	.375	.500	.000
J. Goodwin	12:37	.600	.600	.800	.000
T. Jemison III	1:47	1.000	1.000	.000	.000
S. Milton	1:47
C. Koloko	1:47	1.136
A. Len	Did Not Play
M. Morris	Did Not Play
Team	240	.623	.575	.500	.463

Rebounding & Playmaking

Starters	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%
A. Reaves	3.1	10.4	7.0	21.2	0.0
L. James	0.0	19.7	10.6	15.5	1.4
D. Finney-Smith	0.0	6.3	3.4	9.8	0.0
L. Dončić	0.0	9.7	5.2	29.6	0.0
J. Hayes	8.8	15.0	12.1	11.4	0.0
Reserves	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%
G. Vincent	0.0	0.0	0.0	11.7	1.9
J. Vanderbilt	46.9	20.0	32.4	8.1	0.0
D. Knecht	0.0	21.4	11.5	0.0	0.0
J. Goodwin	0.0	31.7	17.1	12.9	0.0
T. Jemison III	65.8	0.0	30.3	0.0	0.0
S. Milton	0.0	56.2	30.3	0.0	0.0
C. Koloko	0.0	56.2	30.3	0.0	0.0
A. Len	Did Not Play
M. Morris	Did Not Play
Team	29.3	68.8	50.6	56.8	2.0

Defense, Usage & Ratings

Starters	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
A. Reaves	0.0	18.8	23.3	114.8	136.6
L. James	0.0	20.4	34.8	108.1	135.5
D. Finney-Smith	2.3	0.0	10.6	125.0	143.1
L. Dončić	2.3	14.2	28.6	134.4	125.0
J. Hayes	5.4	17.0	9.3	120.7	126.8
Reserves	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
G. Vincent	0.0	0.0	11.9	126.9	143.4
J. Vanderbilt	7.2	30.7	20.5	112.5	144.2
D. Knecht	0.0	0.0	12.0	122.6	139.3
J. Goodwin	0.0	16.7	20.0	107.1	116.7
T. Jemison III	0.0	0.0	23.6	100.0	75.0
S. Milton	0.0		0.0	100.0	75.0
C. Koloko	0.0	0.0	20.8	100.0	75.0
A. Len	Did Not Play
M. Morris	Did Not Play
Team	9.0	15.8	100.0	120.0	136.0

Thunder

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	36:32	14	26	.538	5	9	.556	9	11	.818	1	5	6	6	0	1	1	5	42	32.7	+7
Jalen Williams	34:46	11	21	.524	1	4	.250	3	3	1.000	3	1	4	4	0	0	1	3	26	18.7	+18
Luguentz Dort	30:52	6	11	.545	5	8	.625	0	2	.000	1	2	3	2	2	0	0	3	17	14.4	+8
Isaiah Hartenstein	28:43	4	7	.571	0	0		0	0		6	9	15	4	1	2	1	3	8	14.6	+18
Chet Holmgren	25:00	5	12	.417	2	3	.667	2	3	.667	2	2	4	2	1	2	2	3	14	9.8	+5
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
Cason Wallace	26:35	5	8	.625	1	2	.500	0	1	.000	0	2	2	1	2	0	0	2	11	9.5	+15
Alex Caruso	19:13	4	9	.444	1	2	.500	0	0		1	3	4	3	3	0	0	4	9	9.4	+16
Aaron Wiggins	12:35	1	4	.250	1	4	.250	0	0		0	4	4	2	0	0	1	2	3	1.4	+8
Isaiah Joe	11:47	1	1	1.000	1	1	1.000	0	0		0	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	3	3.7	-1
Kenrich Williams	8:36	1	2	.500	1	1	1.000	0	0		1	0	1	0	0	0	0	1	3	2.3	-11
Branden Carlson	1:47	0	2	.000	0	2	.000	0	0		0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	-0.7	-1
Adam Flagler	1:47	0	1	.000	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	-0.7	-1
Dillon Jones	1:47	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	-1
Team Totals	240	52	104	.500	18	37	.486	14	20	.700	15	29	44	26	9	5	6	26	136

Shooting

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%
S. Gilgeous-Alexander	36:32	14	26	.538	5	9	.556
J. Williams	34:46	11	21	.524	1	4	.250
L. Dort	30:52	6	11	.545	5	8	.625
I. Hartenstein	28:43	4	7	.571	0	0
C. Holmgren	25:00	5	12	.417	2	3	.667
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%
C. Wallace	26:35	5	8	.625	1	2	.500
A. Caruso	19:13	4	9	.444	1	2	.500
A. Wiggins	12:35	1	4	.250	1	4	.250
I. Joe	11:47	1	1	1.000	1	1	1.000
K. Williams	8:36	1	2	.500	1	1	1.000
B. Carlson	1:47	0	2	.000	0	2	.000
A. Flagler	1:47	0	1	.000	0	1	.000
D. Jones	1:47	0	0		0	0
Team	240	52	104	.500	18	37	.486

Free Throws & Rebounds

Starters	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB
S. Gilgeous-Alexander	9	11	.818	1	5	6
J. Williams	3	3	1.000	3	1	4
L. Dort	0	2	.000	1	2	3
I. Hartenstein	0	0		6	9	15
C. Holmgren	2	3	.667	2	2	4
Reserves	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB
C. Wallace	0	1	.000	0	2	2
A. Caruso	0	0		1	3	4
A. Wiggins	0	0		0	4	4
I. Joe	0	0		0	1	1
K. Williams	0	0		1	0	1
B. Carlson	0	0		0	0	0
A. Flagler	0	0		0	0	0
D. Jones	0	0		0	0	0
Team	14	20	.700	15	29	44

Playmaking & Scoring

Starters	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
S. Gilgeous-Alexander	6	0	1	1	5	42	32.7	+7
J. Williams	4	0	0	1	3	26	18.7	+18
L. Dort	2	2	0	0	3	17	14.4	+8
I. Hartenstein	4	1	2	1	3	8	14.6	+18
C. Holmgren	2	1	2	2	3	14	9.8	+5
Reserves	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	GmSc	+/-
C. Wallace	1	2	0	0	2	11	9.5	+15
A. Caruso	3	3	0	0	4	9	9.4	+16
A. Wiggins	2	0	0	1	2	3	1.4	+8
I. Joe	1	0	0	0	0	3	3.7	-1
K. Williams	0	0	0	0	1	3	2.3	-11
B. Carlson	1	0	0	0	0	0	-0.7	-1
A. Flagler	0	0	0	0	0	0	-0.7	-1
D. Jones	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	-1
Team	26	9	5	6	26	136

Starters	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	36:32	.681	.635	.346	.423	2.7	16.0	8.9	23.5	0.0	3.3	3.1	35.2	134.2	125.0
Jalen Williams	34:46	.582	.548	.190	.143	8.6	3.4	6.2	15.0	0.0	0.0	4.3	27.1	139.7	115.1
Luguentz Dort	30:52	.715	.773	.727	.182	3.2	7.6	5.2	7.3	3.1	0.0	0.0	15.5	137.9	127.7
Isaiah Hartenstein	28:43	.571	.571	.000	.000	20.9	36.7	28.2	14.8	1.7	8.4	12.5	11.3	145.0	116.9
Chet Holmgren	25:00	.526	.500	.250	.250	8.0	9.4	8.6	9.1	1.9	9.6	13.1	24.8	132.1	122.6
Reserves	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
Cason Wallace	26:35	.652	.688	.250	.125	0.0	8.8	4.1	4.2	3.6	0.0	0.0	12.8	129.3	105.3
Alex Caruso	19:13	.500	.500	.222	.000	5.2	18.3	11.2	17.8	7.5	0.0	0.0	18.9	137.2	104.9
Aaron Wiggins	12:35	.375	.375	1.000	.000	0.0	37.2	17.1	15.8	0.0	0.0	20.0	16.1	133.3	103.7
Isaiah Joe	11:47	1.500	1.500	1.000	.000	0.0	9.9	4.6	8.5	0.0	0.0	0.0	3.4	141.7	152.2
Kenrich Williams	8:36	.750	.750	.500	.000	11.6	0.0	6.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	9.4	93.8	152.9
Branden Carlson	1:47	.000	.000	1.000	.000	0.0	0.0	0.0	51.9	0.0	0.0	0.0	45.4	75.0	100.0
Adam Flagler	1:47	.000	.000	1.000	.000	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	22.7	75.0	100.0
Dillon Jones	1:47					0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0		0.0	75.0	100.0
Team Totals	240	.603	.587	.356	.192	31.3	70.7	49.4	50.0	9.0	12.5	5.1	100.0	136.0	120.0

Shooting

Starters	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr
S. Gilgeous-Alexander	36:32	.681	.635	.346	.423
J. Williams	34:46	.582	.548	.190	.143
L. Dort	30:52	.715	.773	.727	.182
I. Hartenstein	28:43	.571	.571	.000	.000
C. Holmgren	25:00	.526	.500	.250	.250
Reserves	MP	TS%	eFG%	3PAr	FTr
C. Wallace	26:35	.652	.688	.250	.125
A. Caruso	19:13	.500	.500	.222	.000
A. Wiggins	12:35	.375	.375	1.000	.000
I. Joe	11:47	1.500	1.500	1.000	.000
K. Williams	8:36	.750	.750	.500	.000
B. Carlson	1:47	.000	.000	1.000	.000
A. Flagler	1:47	.000	.000	1.000	.000
D. Jones	1:47
Team	240	.603	.587	.356	.192

Rebounding & Playmaking

Starters	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%
S. Gilgeous-Alexander	2.7	16.0	8.9	23.5	0.0
J. Williams	8.6	3.4	6.2	15.0	0.0
L. Dort	3.2	7.6	5.2	7.3	3.1
I. Hartenstein	20.9	36.7	28.2	14.8	1.7
C. Holmgren	8.0	9.4	8.6	9.1	1.9
Reserves	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%
C. Wallace	0.0	8.8	4.1	4.2	3.6
A. Caruso	5.2	18.3	11.2	17.8	7.5
A. Wiggins	0.0	37.2	17.1	15.8	0.0
I. Joe	0.0	9.9	4.6	8.5	0.0
K. Williams	11.6	0.0	6.3	0.0	0.0
B. Carlson	0.0	0.0	0.0	51.9	0.0
A. Flagler	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
D. Jones	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Team	31.3	70.7	49.4	50.0	9.0

Defense, Usage & Ratings

Starters	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
S. Gilgeous-Alexander	3.3	3.1	35.2	134.2	125.0
J. Williams	0.0	4.3	27.1	139.7	115.1
L. Dort	0.0	0.0	15.5	137.9	127.7
I. Hartenstein	8.4	12.5	11.3	145.0	116.9
C. Holmgren	9.6	13.1	24.8	132.1	122.6
Reserves	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	ORtg	DRtg
C. Wallace	0.0	0.0	12.8	129.3	105.3
A. Caruso	0.0	0.0	18.9	137.2	104.9
A. Wiggins	0.0	20.0	16.1	133.3	103.7
I. Joe	0.0	0.0	3.4	141.7	152.2
K. Williams	0.0	0.0	9.4	93.8	152.9
B. Carlson	0.0	0.0	45.4	75.0	100.0
A. Flagler	0.0	0.0	22.7	75.0	100.0
D. Jones	0.0		0.0	75.0	100.0
Team	12.5	5.1	100.0	136.0	120.0

Possessions, pace and team ratings use our one possession count (the same as Team Profile on the matchup page), so they can differ slightly from other sites.